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Re: Sync Thunderbird and TT-RSS

Postby Saliency » 03 Sep 2013, 22:27

The derail is more interesting then the orig :)

Thoughts/Rant:

1) The incentives/economics of creating desktop apps are far different then that of web apps.
Most web apps are designed to be saas. As so the creators don't have incentive to make them open and standardized. Having a proprietary network allows them to extract rents. Open source projects do not suffer this incentive problem but are slower to develop then commercial projects.

2) A separate service for data is good for consumers bad for rent seekers.
Data services like IMAP are good for consumers but not companies trying to make money via saas model.
Why aren't FB and G+ just presentation layers accessing the same sets of data? Probably because that is how it evolved. But it remains so because if FB opened up an API they would loose the ability to extract rents. When they change the privacy settings their would be less friction for people to leave. The end result though is a winner takes (most) all system, where users are all forced to use the same homogeneous interface*.

If people paid for data services things might be different but people don't.
"if you are not paying for the service you are not the customer you are the product."

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Re: Sync Thunderbird and TT-RSS

Postby fox » 03 Sep 2013, 22:52

Email is the kinda thing where fuckoff huge cloud service like gmail makes a lot of sense because of e.g. distributed antispam; also being fuckoff huge helps beat various retards into accepting your mail which otherwise can easily become problematic.

Self hosting email is a constant headache, personally I have both the resources and ability to do so but its definitely not for anyone normal and shitty vps in known fuck you spammers is not going to cut it.

So don't expect ttmail because its largely pointless.

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Postby fox » 03 Sep 2013, 22:56

By making sense I mean it brings tangible value to acual users as opposed to self hosted oss groupware (all of which are shit anyway but its beside the point atm) not just the provider milking them for ad revenue.

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Postby fox » 03 Sep 2013, 23:05

Anyway my point was about MUAs which are a rudiment since gmail popped into existence. Personally I switched from gnus and I cant fathom going back. You need a server somewhere anyway for mobile push, pop3 pc time is over.

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Postby fox » 04 Sep 2013, 00:32

ITT: writing sieve filters by hand is something people actually do because gmail is just not good enough

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